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Post by PokerKitten on Sept 13, 2003 13:06:57 GMT
Here are some casting sides for episode 6: Ocipital from the ASSB www.voy.com/14810/133015739.htmlDate Posted: 22:37:35 09/12/03 Fri
Author: Ocipital
Subject: Episode 6 sides summary
Angel and Number 5 are fighting in Number 5's present day apartment (so Number 5 is in his sevneties), Angel gains control of the situation and explains that he wasnt going to drag Number 5 back into the Aztec demon crap, and was just going to give him some mail. Then Angel tells number 5 that he is dragging him back into it, and throws him across the room. Number 5 jumps to his feet.
Angel tells Number 5 that he needs his help, he and his 4 brothers were the only ones to have defeated the Aztec demon. Number 5 tells Angel he is out of the hero buisness, explaining that he used to help the helpless, but that all changed after the death of his brothers. He tells Angel that he continues to where the mask as a reminder that only fools would want to be champions. Angel asks if Number 5's brothers were fools. Number 5 punches him, nut Angel resists the temptation to punch him back. The story then flashes back to the 1950's where it is revealed that the Lunchadors always wore there masks, and he had not seen his brothers without there masks since he was 16.
Angel asks about the Aztec demon, but Number 5 doesnt remember or want to remember. Number 5 explains that after the death of his brothers he carried on for a year or so, but the calls dried up, and a man stopped by, who said he could use a man like him. That man is HOLLAND MANNERS. After a few years of working as muscel for W&H they dumped him in the mail room. and Number 5 began to fall into dispair, he tried to raise his brothers spirits but they failed to return. Angel gets fed up with Number 5's self pitty, and tells him its no wonder his brothers failed to return. Number 5 tells him he doesnt care, and heres why.
Another flashback. This time To The Lunchadors ring side fights, but its a farce, and a mockery of the reality of the Lunchadors. Number 5 tells them that his brothers gave there lives for the people, and the people mock them in gratitute. Angel tells Number 5 is more than about peoples gratitute and he thinks deep down Number 5 still wants to be a hero. He turns round to see that Number 5 has departed however.
Later
Angel tracks Number 5 down. He has summoned The Aztec Demon (Tezsatcati). Angel tells him it wont work, Number 5 tells him he will come, but Angel tells him that Tezsatcati wont kill Number 5 or Angel (Angel taps his heart). Number 5 is not a hero. Angel demands the talisman, but number 5 says he doesnt have it. Angel is desperately searching Number 5's. The Talisman is what the Demon needs.
Number 5 tells Angel he was right about Tezsatcati not being willing to kill him, he isnt a hero, so he had to trick him. He swallowed the talisman. Tezsatcati will have to kill him to get it. Number 5 punches Angel, sending him flying into a memorial stone. Tezsarcati rises. Number 5 begins taunting it, seeking death. Just as a killer blow is about to be struck Angel interveens.
And thats where the sides end.
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Post by PokerKitten on Sept 14, 2003 11:39:35 GMT
I had somehow managed to live my life in blissful ignorance of Mexican wrestlers, but I am now enlightened!! Lol! If you would like to see the light too, in preparation for this strange sounding episode (although, to be fair, we have only had a brief snatch (heh!) from the ep as a whole), check this out -----> www.angelfire.com/tn/luchadore/history.html |
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Post by PokerKitten on Sept 16, 2003 10:23:30 GMT
A-ha! There are revised sides for this ep now, which also indicate a change in title. Here is Bub's summary, from Sparklies:
Episode 6 sides: The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco
Basically, we start off the same as before. Number Five slams Angel against the wall when Angel comes to his apartment, very strong for a man in his 70's. Number Five is worried that Angel wants to enlist him in the hunt for this Aztec demon. Number Five is described as having a gentelmanly dignity about him. Angel says he needs help, #5 beat him the first time around and he needs to know how. But, no, #5 says he has retired, and goes to his Dia de los Muertos altar (for his brothers). Angel points out that wearing the wrestling mask doesn't hide the guy's past, but #5 responds that it reminds him that only a fool would want to be a champion. Of course, he gets angry when Angel suggests that the man's brothers must have been fools, then.
#5 starts relating his past (again, this is a little different). He says that they were Luchadors, and referred to as the Hermanos Numeros. Angel looks at the altar, and we get a flashback. The brothers defeating the rudos (bad guy wrestlers) in the ring, women blowing kisses, kids watching intently. #5 says they never compromised, they were the best, even outside the ring. Flashback of the brothers fighting a gangster, and then cut to #5 in his easy chair. He explains that no one looked out for the Chicanos, and they protected their own. The five brothers were always connected, and when they worked together, they formed a fist. They stopped monsters and vampires and helped the helpless. (See? Much better stuff already.)
Angel says he knows something about that. #5 says the brothers spent all their time together, and another flashback. They're smoking ciggies and playing cards, still in their masks. They were brothers in the truest sense, and no one got jealous or fought. Shot of a sexy woman kissing one of the brothers in his mask, and Angel wonders if they always wore them. #5 ignores him, and says that they always had to be ready at a moment's notice. In the flashback, the phone rings, and the brothers head out. He says that surely Angel has heard of the defeat of the Devil's Robot. Angels says sorry, no, and #5 sighs, saying that people forget all the good stuff.
Angel still wants to know about the Aztec Warrior. #5 wants to know how he can say anything about the thing that killed everyone he cares about? He doesn't remember. Angel wants to know if he doesn't remember, or just doesn't care. #5 tries to explain, saying that he tried to carry on after the death of his brothers.
(Lots of missing scenes here. I don't know if those are the same, or have been rewritten as well.)
There's a brief end to a scene where Wes, Gunn, Angel, and Spike are apparently discussing the amulet. Gunn describes it, and Angel bolts out of the room. Spike says, "See? Drama Queen!"
Angel knocks on #5's apartment door. No answer. He enters. The Dia de los Muertos altar has been removed. Angel heads out.
Then we get basically the same cemetery scene, with a few changes. There's a close-up on the headstone, and it lists the birth and death date of the brothers - the death date is all the same. #5 has his birth date only. Then more of the same, Angel says Tezcatcatl won't kill#5, wonders where the amulet is. #5 says why bother, say Angel stops it, it'll be back in another 50 years and nothing will have changed (new). He reveals that he swallowed the amulet. #5 taunts the demon as it appears, basically ready to die, and then Angel blocks it with the piece of metal he pried off the fence.
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Post by PokerKitten on Oct 5, 2003 22:52:01 GMT
Episode summary, posted at Wendy's SpoilerZone: www.btvs-tabularasa.net/spoilerzone/spoiler_ep_5_6.htmlSummary for Episode 6
Credit to Mythical Boards (coming soon!) and Fox.
Episode 6: The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco
When Gunn brings some documents to Angel to sign, Angel confesses that he feels “disconnected” in his new position, despite the lavish surroundings and increased opportunities to do good. During the conversation Wolfram and Hart’s elderly mail guy (known as “Number 5” because he wears a hooded
mask with that numeral on it) picks up a stack of mail from Angel’s desk and toddles off down the hall. A moment later Angel notices Number 5 forgot an envelope, so he chases after Number 5 and grabs his arm. To Angel’s surprise, frail Number 5 tosses Angel through a window and then calmly squeaks away with his cart. Then, as Gunn calls security, Wesley reports that four bodies were just discovered with their hearts ripped out at a special mass for the Mexican Day of the Dead. Angel, Gunn, Wes, and Spike drive to East L.A., where they find yet another body with its heart missing. Then a large demon resembling an Aztec warrior attacks them. Angel and the others fight back but their weapons have no effect, and finally the demon shoves Angel into a dumpster and disappears.
Later at Wolfram and Hart, Fred analyzes the demon’s blood while Wesley searches ancient texts for
information on the demon. Spike asks about the Shanshu prophecy, which predicts an epic battle and a vampire with a soul who plays a major role in the battle and may get to live again. Spike notes that he’s a vampire with a soul and that he heroically closed a hellmouth, but Wes says there’s no mention of ghosts in the prophecy. Later Wesley shows Angel a picture of the warrior demon, explaining that it returns every 50 years, on the Day of the Dead, seeking human hearts. Wes also says that on the demon’s last visit it was defeated by five brothers who were the champions of their time, and all but one of them were killed in the battle. Angel asks if the surviving brother is still alive, and Wesley says he is… and they know him.
A bit later Angel knocks at the door of an apartment, which is opened by Number 5. He yanks Angel in and slams him into a wall, but this time Angel returns the toss, saying he needs Number 5’s help in defeating the Aztec warrior demon. Number 5 insists he’s retired, but Angel says he’d honor the memory of his dead brothers by helping. At the mention of his brothers, Number 5 shows Angel a small Day of the Dead altar which contains, among other items, a picture of him and his four brothers, once wildly popular luchadores (Mexican wrestlers) who all wear numbered masks like the one Number 5 still wears. Number 5 recalls their spectacular career in the ring, and says they also fought gangsters and monsters outside the ring on behalf of the weak and helpless. Angel asks how the brothers defeated the warrior demon, but Number 5 says he can’t remember, then recounts how after his brothers died he was so disheartened that he took a job with Wolfram and Hart, even though they stood for everything he hated. He says that ever since, he has built an altar and invited his brothers’ spirits to visit on the Day of the Dead, but they never come. Angel says it’s because Number 5’s spirit is broken, and asks how that happened. So Number 5 takes him to a wrestling arena where five midget wrestlers put on an act mocking Number 5 and his brothers in their fight against the Aztec warrior. Number 5 says that despite all his brothers’ good deeds, they obviously made no lasting difference in the world.
Meanwhile Gunn and Wes research the warrior demon’s victims and realize that each of them had performed a heroic act. At the same time, after Angel sees Number 5 to a bus home, the warrior demon attacks him again. Eventually it raises a dagger over Angel’s head… but then, instead of killing Angel, it just backs off and disappears. At the office Wes and Gunn tell Angel how the warrior is taking the hearts of heroes, but Angel notes that it let him live, and he’s a hero. Wes and Gunn say that if the demon uses hearts for sustenance, Angel’s dead organ wouldn’t do it much good. Gunn goes off to see if the warrior has a contract with Wolfram and Hart, but Wesley stays with Angel and says another reason the demon may not have taken Angel’s heart is that it can sense, as Wes does, that Angel’s heart just isn’t in his work any more. Wes asks if Angel still believes in the Shanshu prophecy, which is the only thing that will keep Angel from ending up disillusioned like Number 5. Just then Fred summons them to the lab, where she has discovered that human hearts are like rocket fuel to the demon. Spike speculates that its Achilles heel may be its own heart and Gunn confirms this, saying the demon has a contract that allows it to return every 50 years to search for a talisman that can give it infinite powers. Gunn says the talisman, which looks like a gold coin, was given to a hero who was charged with protecting it, and that it gets passed down from hero to hero through the generations. Angel remembers seeing the coin on Number 5’s altar and dashes back to his apartment. When he gets there both Number 5 and the altar are gone. Angel finds Number 5 a few minutes later, setting up the altar to summon the demon near his brothers’ grave at a local cemetery. Angel asks for the talisman, but Number 5 says he doesn’t have it. Then the demon appears. As it approaches Number 5 says he swallowed the talisman, and invites the demon to cut it out of him. He taunts the demon until it attacks, but as it swings a sword to kill Number 5, Angel attacks. Eventually the demon gets the upper hand and runs its sword through Number 5. As he falls, Angel attacks, but the demon tosses him into the brothers’ gravestone. As Angel shakes off the blow, a hand rises from the grave.
As Angel watches, brothers 1 through 4 break out of their grave, ready to fight for Number 5. They grab iron pickets from a nearby fence, and attack the demon lucha-style. Then they pin him to the ground with the fence pickets while Angel drives the demon’s own dagger through its heart, killing it. Number 5, barely alive, thanks Angel, then admits that the talisman is really in a thermos full of coffee sitting next to them. As Angel retrieves the talisman, Number Five finally dies, and his brothers pick up his body nd vanish once more into their grave. Later Angel delivers the talisman to Wes and tells him that Number 5 died a hero. Then, after Wes leaves, Angel returns to Wesley’s office alone and pulls out a book to read about the Shanshu prophesy.
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Post by PokerKitten on Oct 30, 2003 18:25:29 GMT
Transcript of the radio ad for this ep - nice lines for Spike ;D Credit to Fraz from Media Blvd. www.mediablvd.com/portal/ WB Radio For Ats 5.6 "Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco" Wednesday, November 5th ANNC: An all new Smallville Event, then, Angel has a new enemy… SOT: “Angel attacked the old mail guy.” (Spike) “He attacked me.” (Angel) ANNC: …It’s Angel versus the elderly. “The geriatric community will be soiling their nappies when they hear you’re on the case.” (Spike) |
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Post by PokerKitten on Oct 31, 2003 12:16:07 GMT
You can download the promo at SlayerverseLMAO, Angel looks totally bemused ;D Heh, Spike really is a cocky little so and so isn't he, riding upfront in (one of) Angel's car when the other boys WITH bodies get to ride in back ;D |
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Post by PokerKitten on Nov 5, 2003 22:32:56 GMT
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Post by PokerKitten on Nov 6, 2003 0:10:33 GMT
Actually, you can't beat AA's summaries, but they do tend to make the episodes sound better than they are! Lol! Hope that's not the case with this one, because I kinda liked all this, despite my initial scepticism when the sides came out.
And there is waaay more Spike than we first thought there would be - and he is pretty funny! I have the next Prattle title from him, and I like his comments about Angel - "Always was a bit of a drama queen" and "General Grumpy Pants" - heh! ;D ANd he has a cute scene or two with Fred....
I see a small paving of the way towards ep 10 with Angel mentioning crappy prophecies - the father shall kill the son - and Wes not getting it (Doh, Angel forgot they were mind wiped, lol!). And there are strong rumours that Connor will appear in ep 10, in some form or other...
So, I'm quite looking forward to this ep now.... hope to be in downloading heaven tomorrow ;D
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Post by Cyrus on Nov 6, 2003 8:44:24 GMT
I got to watch while at work... though there were interruptions, and of course, having to answer questions from my clueless parents who couldn't possibly wait for a commercial to inquire about things they didn't understand or to make comments...  I didn't really find this episode to be all that great. Spike making the usual comments, Angel being mean to Spike, Spinifred moments (  )... plus the whole story line seemed a bit useless... I did like Ghost!Spike in the front seat, while the Flesh!People rode in the back.  Obviously, Angel's office has been cleaned up (or else we just couldn't smell it) and his chair disinfected from last week's little mishap...  The only thing useful that might have been in it was the reference to the Shanshu prophecy, and Spike was interested in it, (Spike asking if it named specifically which vampire with a soul, and Wes telling him that it was the vampire with a soul who is not a ghost... meanie!) while Angel acted like he wasn't interested. The last lines of the show was Angel picking up Wes' "magic book" and telling it "Shanshu Prophecy. English translation." and slowly opening the book as the image closes. |
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Post by PokerKitten on Nov 7, 2003 0:01:10 GMT
 Who's going to deliver the mail now? Okay, so I am a big sap at heart and the death of Numero Cinco and him being carried off by his dead brothers made me sniffle. I was already fond of the guy, seeing him in the background shots, or his trolley being pushed along, in earlier eps and knowing we'd be meeting him properly soon. I liked this ep way more than last week's flim-flam. It had meat on its bones and progressed characters, and laid little breadcrumb trails for the future plotlines we spoiler whores know are coming. Nicely paced and rounded out episode, liked its "feel". Some of my favourite things: Angel signing contracts in his own blood. "Tumescent trolls". Gunn's enthusiasm for his new role and the job (and hell, he really is doing good from within the belly of the beast). Spike telling us how pissy it is to be in his condition. It must be a real bugger and I feel for the poor pet. Did we get thrown this bone about not being able to touch etc, or diddle his willy, to make the thing that happens in ep 8 more understandable, excusable? Well, it might help a little, but I for one will need more. But this is only the second time I have been convinced that he doesn't want to be a vamp anymore (first time was in Seeing Red, when he is ranting in the crypt at Clem and the expression on his face and the emotion in his voice when he says he can't be a man...). He came right out and said it, what would make him feel better "Not being dead." Shanshu anvil #1 Spike's delight in Numero Cinco throwing Angel through the window - reminiscent of his upbeat grins in LotP! Telling Fred Angel had been messin' with the poor old man, and her believing him! Heh! And that word was IMMEDIATELY out on the net about the incident! LMAO! Gunn and Wes wondering how Spike got to sit up front in the car, and Spike cheekily saying he called shotgun. Wes was priceless in his dumbfounded response of how he had thought it was a weapons check ;D Spike frustrated by his non-corporeal status when he couldn't help out in the fight. His "drama queen" and "Mr Grumpy Pants" comments. The cute Spike/Fred interaction. I like the way he talks all soft and warm to her. And he really didn't seem to believe in himself and his champion status until she validated his actions as being heroic. This is what gets him thinking seriously about shanshu, I reckon. Of course, he then pretends it is a load of hooey when talking to Wes, but we know he is mad for it. Shanshu anvil #2 Also liked the parallels between Angel and Numero Cinco and their disillusionment in the roles and actions that had previously fulifilled them. And Angel echoing Fred's snark at him in Hellbound about helping being "The right thing to do". Angel giving No 5 the speech about doing good even with no hope of reward and then getting all pissy when the Aztec Demon really doesn't find his heart worthy. Wes' puzzled expression when Angel lets slip about the father shall kill the son prophecy, which of course fell foul of the mindwipe at the end of S4. Spike seeing straight to the heart of the matter - heh! - and pointing out the solution to the Aztec Demon problem (and again being validated, this time by Gunn). And the fact that the wrestling scenes were only a little bit cheesy, and that the dead bros popping up out of their graves to help save the day managed not to be giggle-inducing. And Numero Cinco making me
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Post by PokerKitten on Nov 13, 2003 11:36:42 GMT
Opinions from this one were too diverse in our poll to sum up! I think it is safe to say some folks were pleasantly surprised by the strength of this ep, and others just didn't see that. But I loved you, Numero Cinco  |
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 17, 2004 23:11:23 GMT
I loved this ep...Spike laughing at Angel being thrown through the window by Cinco...' Isn't he a 100 years old ?' And...yeah they had to find him cos 'I wanna buy him a pint...made my day'! 'General Grumpypants', and 'Tall Dark and Dreary'..perfect...but my fave bit was when he said 'The geriatric community will be soiling their nappies when they hear you're on the case'! I thought the wrestling scenes were a bit cheesy, but also had a tear in my eye at the demise of 'Numero Cinco' So, a big thumbs up from me for the sheer snarkiness of Spike!
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Post by PokerKitten on Feb 17, 2004 23:17:33 GMT
This is still one of my faves eps of the season. And I love the way we had references to Numero Cinco before we ever saw him properly, in previous eps. And without being too spoilery, he still gets nods later in the season. Glad you enjoyed it NN.  |
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Post by JIG on Feb 20, 2004 11:42:08 GMT
ok i watched this yesterday as i had taped it and i dont really know if i liked it or not. It was very weird and again i find Wesley isnt really involved to much which i miss as i really like the character. I didnt like the season to begin with and the 5th episode i think it was, changed my mind.
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