Ep 7: Lineage - discuss!!

[PokerKitten]

Film Jerk have news of a Wes-centric ep, from the sounds of it.

Wesley’s Father To Pay a Visit on Episode 5.07 of “Angel”
Written 09-12-2003 by ChrisFaile

According to FilmJerk.com sources, producers for the WB’s “Angel” are looking to cast the role of Wesley’s father, Roger Wyndham-Pryce, for the untitled seventh episode of the season. The elder Wyndham-Pryce, listed as being in his late 50s or early 60s, is described as being “incredibly well-educated and articulate, albeit with a rather stern disposition.” The actor who is given the guest-starring role will film his scenes over 10 days in Los Angeles, beginning October 1.

According to our source, Roger is there to evaluate Wesley (played by Alexis Denisof) for possible reacceptance to the Watcher's Council. The visit is strictly business, as years of distance and unresolved issues make for a great deal tension between the two. Roger also strongly disapproves of Wesley's new workplace (he calls it "a haven of Hell") and the company he keeps, including Angel and Gunn.

According to another source, producers are also trying to cast a central role for the sixth episode, entitled "Night of the Luchadors". Writer and directed by Jeffrey Bell, this episode begins shooting on September 19. The role they are seeking to fill is that of “Number 5,” a Latin man in his 70s. As a young man in 1950s Los Angeles, he and his five brothers were known as the "Hermanos Numeros", the greatest Mexican wrestlers who ever lived. More than just Luchadors, they were heroes who protected their community - men of honor who defended the weak against underworld vampires and demons. In their final battle, a mystical Aztec warrior destroyed all the brothers leaving only Number 5 alive. He has become a bit gruff in his solitary life, but ultimately he's sympathetic. Nothing more is known about the episode’s storyline at this time, and how “Number 5” plays a part in it.

The Scorecard
Executive Producer: Joss Whedon
Co-Executive Producer: Jeffrey Bell
Producer: Kelly A. Manners
Casting Directors: Barbara Stordahl & Angela Terry
Location: Los Angeles
Production Companies: Mutant Enemy/20th Century Fox Television
Network: The WB

www.filmjerk.com/nuke/article617.html

[PokerKitten]

More sides! Courtesy of Bub at Sparklies. This is her summary:

Scene 1:

Wes is in his office, still stung from some conversation he had with Angel. Fred enters, in a good mood, but her arm is in a sling. Wes says he was just coming to look for her. She says that she's fine, but has to take a lot of antibiotics - the doctors don't know where the "grappling-hook" has been.

Wes apologizes, but she says no, she feels bad because all she had to do was hide, and she failed at that. Wes says he should have done a better job of protecting Fred. Uh oh. That pisses her off. He says he never should have brought her there, and she asks if he has any idea of how condescending he is being. She asks if she should take it as chivalry that he blames himself for poor Fred getting hurt. Wes says that he only meant that she shouldn't have been there in the first place...and now she's *really* angry. She tells him that it's not for him to decide, that she's not a damsel in distress and he's coming off as a self-pitying child.

A figure approaches from behind Fred. "Hello, Father," Wes says. Fred thinks he's still talking to her, and snaps that she wishes she were his father, because she'd tell him to grow up. Roger Wyndham-Pryce breaks in and says that he's tried, it doesn't work. He's stern, in his late 50's. Wes wants to know what Roger is doing there, and Fred is confused.

Roger says that manners were never Wes's strong point, and introduces himself to Fred. They exchange greetings. She makes an excuse about how she was discussing with Wes an employee she has to fire. Fred exits after some official pleasantries.

Roger quotes Fred's "self-pitying child" remark, and says he thinks he had Wes's mom crochet that on a pillow once. Again, Wes wants to know what Roger is doing there, but Roger dismisses him, saying that he can visit his son whenever he pleases. Then he says they have business to discuss, and steps into the office.

Roger says that the Watcher's Council was destroyed last year, and they are reforming it. Contacting former Watchers. He's been sent to evaluate Wes for possible reacceptance. Wes wants to know why they think he'd go back. Roger tells him not to be stubborn - Wes's name has been problematic, because many believe that he's the Council's single greatest failure. Wes says this sales pitch needs work, and Roger interrupts, telling Wes to hold back his ego, because he's getting a chance to redeem his name. Their name. Wes says he's not interested - he's happy with the work he's doing there. Roger makes a sarcastic remark about how proud he is to have a son working for W&H.

*****

Scene 2:

Wes and Roger enter the library, heading toward the table with the source books. Wes is talking shop about some Dutrovic markings. Roger breaks in and says that Winifred really seems to like Wes. Wes is still distracted with the books, and says that she's a special person. Roger starts to feel Wes out, and then asks if she knows how he feels. Wes is thrown, and says it's none of Roger's business. Roger gets nasty again, saying Wes was always a coward with women, and to just tell her about his feelings. Wes refuses to discuss it, and Roger drops it.

Wes opens a book and calls up something called the Saitama Codex. The words appear on the page. Roger is curious, and Wes explains how the books work - he can call up almost any text imaginable. Roger asks if Wes has any idea how powerful these books are, and Wes takes offense at the tone. Of course he does. Roger says he doesn't think so, because they're just out in the open on the table. Then he asks if that's the Sword of Revelations on the wall. Wes says that he has the most powerful items locked up in the vault, and that he knows what he's doing. Roger says that he hopes the vault is safer than the library, and wonders if it even has a lock. Wes says it's not easy to get access here, and that the books are safe where they are.

[PokerKitten]

More casting sides are out for this ep. This summary is from Eddy at sparklies.org

The episode is untitled,this scene is the Teaser. It starts in a warehouse at night. The camera tracks slowly around the crates,finding a card table at the center of the warehouse. Theres some guys sitting at the table,we don't see who they are.

We hear Emil off-screen say that it comes down to trust. The camera is now across from Emil who is sitting at the table. The sides describe Emil as a swarthy male in his 30's. He's flanked by Dante and Phillip,these 2 big bodyguards who are standing.

Emil talks about Business Bureau and dealing with Customer complaints through killing,beating,torturing,and sometimes fire. He calls it "word of mouth advertising". It keeps their business running well.

We then hear a off-screen voice say that if he had known this was going to be a seminar then he would've worn a name tag. We then see that Wesley is the one who just said that. He's sitting at the table across from Emil. Wes is leaning back in his chair,calm.

Wesley says that he agreed to meet with their distributer,not their muscle. Emil says that the bodyguards are just "assistants" and there to make them more comfortable. Wes stares at them. Emil asks if they're hungry,he could have Dante fix him a sandwich and Wesley says that this is a waste of time. Wes stands up and Emil puts up his hand.

Emil says that his distributer is simply cautious,he wants to verify the goods before they move forward. Wes studies him for a beat,then turns and looks toward a dark area in the warehouse and gives a small nod. Fred walks out of the darkness with a metal briefcase and Emil gives a low whistle.

Emil in a "lecherous" tone wants to know who she is. Wes says his muscle. Fred slams the case on the table and opens it. She says that what they've got here is a modification of the TS-113 sniper rifle. As she is talking she is assembling the high-tech rifle. Fred says that they altered the targeting and firing mechanisms to fit the paremeters that Emil gave them.

Emil says that Fred is making him hot and Fred says "Great. Talk to me like that again and I'll cut your throat out and feed it to Jumbo over there." Emil looks at Wes and Wes just stares back at him coldly.

Thers some Fred dialogue scribbled out here,I can't read it. Fred says that they replaced the delivery system with a bylantine energy charge,getting rid of the need for conventional ammunition. Emil is breathless and in love with the gun,he makes a gesture to the case and says that they left out the firing pin. Fred then says "You think I'm going to arm this thing in here? Am I giving off some sort of stupid-vibe?" Emil and his bodyguards shake their heads and say NO.

Wesley says that they have 200 units ready now and that they'll start manufacturing more when they recieve the payment. Emil nods and tells him that he'll get his money. Wesley says that he needs to meet with the distributer first,the transactions can't go through middle men.

Emil starts to stiffen and asks if he just got called a "middle-man?" Wesley says that he was calling all 3 of them middle-men. Even Dante. Emil starts to responsd but Wes has that cold stare at him,then Emil reaches into his jacket and pulls out a pen and a business card. He shakes his head,he says that they're lucky that W&H have good word of mouth advertising.

Emil writes down a number and tells Wes to call it to arrange a meeting. Emil looks at Dante and says "To think I used to sell this guy swords" He then smirks at Wes and says that it almost makes him proud.

They are interrupted when a loud sound of a chain whizzes through the air. Dante now has a small grappling hook point sticking into the front of his neck. He's then pulled out of frame by the chain at the other end. Emil looks at Wes and Wes realizes what is about to happen. Phillip pulls out a pistol and Wesley moves quickly grabbing Fred while Emil jumps out of the way knocking over the table sending the briefcase and Rifle pieces everywhere. Phillip starts shooting his gun and Wesley and Fred dive for cover behind crates. Fred asks what hit the guy and Wes says he doesn't know.

Wes reaches a hand into each side of his jacket pulling out 2 pistols at the same time saying "Don't particulary care."

Wes then gets up in slow-mo with his guns blazing. He shoots Phillip in the chest killing him.

[Cyrus]

In case anyone is interested, the role of Wesley's father has been cast.

Click here

[PokerKitten]

I heard it was Roy Dotrice, and that he had to pretty much stay on set and snooze in his trailer because he is kinda frail these days (and 80!). He is well respected here, and is part of an acting dynasty! his girls are pretty well known actors.

Tell me that's right and then I don't have to go and click the link! Lazyitis today!

[Cyrus]

PokerKitten said:

Tell me that's right and then I don't have to go and click the link! Lazyitis today!

Something like that lol...

[PokerKitten]

From Herc:

Back at Mutant Enemy, meanwhile, Drew Goddard’s first “Angel” will be the pivotal 5.7, which will see Wesley’s dad bring us up to speed on the Watchers Council – and see Spike undergo an important transformation.

www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=16288

[PokerKitten]

Now knowing more than I care to know about episode 8, I think Herc got the timing of the important transformation a bit off.

Also.... It would seem that Wes kills daddy in episode 7....

[PokerKitten]

Credit to Fraz from Media Boulevard
www.mediablvd.com/portal/

Episode Description for Ats 5.7 "Lineage"

Wednesday, Nov 12 - (9:00 - 10:00 pm ET)
""Lineage"" -14, D, V

CYBERNETIC GENETICS – The offices of Wolfram & Hart are under attack by
cyborg assassins who are seeking a magical device that will give them control
over Angel (David Boreanaz). Meanwhile, Wesley (Alexis Denisof) is surprised by
the unannounced arrival of his estranged father (guest star Roy Dotrice, “Beauty
and the Beast”) who has come to evaluate Wesley for possible reacceptance to
the Watcher's Council. J. August Richards, Amy Acker, Andy Hallett and James
Marsters also star. Jefferson Kibbee directed the episode written by Drew Goddard

[PokerKitten]

From tensai at www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/002484.php

While info is very scarce for Episode Seven: Lineage, I have received some info from one of my newer sources. Most of it has been backed up by media descriptions, but it does have new info on Wesley and his father.
Angel 5.7: Lineage

In this episode, there is an outside faction trying to get access to the Wolfram and Hart vaults. They are after info on a talisman (perhaps Spike's amulet). They send in a team of robot/human assassins (who I think are the same ones that attack Wesley and Fred early in the episode), to do their dirty work. There will be a climatic battle, where Wesley will end up killing his father. Or so he thinks, turns out there may be more to his father than 'meets the eye'.

[PokerKitten]

Episode summary from Mythical Boards

Eps 07 LINEAGE

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When Wesley’s father visits Wolfram and Hart, the firm is attacked by a troop of spooky Ninja cyborgs.

When Wes and Fred bring a new weapon to a customer at a warehouse, they’re attacked by a black-clad, Ninja-like warrior with no eyes in its black mask. The assailant kills the customers, but then Angel flies in and snaps its neck, revealing that it’s really some sort of android. Later, back at Wolfram and Hart, Angel scolds Wesley for bringing Fred (who was badly cut in the attack) into such a dangerous situation, but a bit later Fred tells Wesley that she can take care of herself. Then, as they talk, Wesley’s father Roger arrives. Wes asks what he’s doing there, and Roger says he and the remaining Watchers have decided to reform the Watchers’ Council and that he’s come to evaluate Wesley for a possible return to their ranks. Roger notes, however, that it doesn’t look good for Wesley to be working for Wolfram and Hart (“the haven of evil”), but Wesley insists it’s different now. Still he’s a bit flustered as he introduces Roger to Lorne and Gunn. A bit later, in the lab, Fred and Angel watch as Knox technicians analyze the Ninja cyborg. Wesley and Roger join them, and Fred shows Wes some odd symbols they found on some of the cyborg’s parts. As Wes runs his fingers over the symbols, there’s an ominous click, followed by a red light and the alarming hum of a bomb being activated.

Everyone starts to panic and Wesley tells them to run while he tries to defuse the bomb. Then the humming stops and they see Roger holding a piece of the circuitry. Roger explains that Wes misinterpreted the symbols, which really explain how to disarm the cyborg… which embarrasses Wesley. A bit later, as Lorne entertains Roger, Wes confesses to Angel that his father’s visit has rattled him. A few minutes later Wesley asks for Roger’s help in continuing the research on the android. They go to Wesley’s library, and when Roger sees the sacred texts there, he notes the lack of security. Wes assures him that the firm’s most valuable items are kept in a nearby vault. Meanwhile six more black-clad cyborgs land on the roof, and then a security alarm blares as both the power and security systems are disabled. Angel asks Gunn if it’s a false alarm, but then four cyborgs surround them. At the same time, another cyborg attacks Wes and Roger in the library and heads for the valuable books. Wes eventually stabs the cyborg with a sword. Then, on Roger’s advice, he opens the vault to secure the books. After he places them in a locker, Roger pulls out a gun and clubs Wes with it, knocking him unconscious. Then Roger grabs the master key from Wes, scans the lockers, opens the one containing the Staff of Devosynn, and reports into a mic/earpiece he wears that “phase one” is complete.

A bit later, as Angel and Gunn continue to battle their attackers, Wes wakes up and realizes he’s been locked in the vault. He jimmies an electrical panel, disables the electric lock, and returns to the library, where he begins to examine the cyborg that attacked him. Meanwhile, as Roger flees, he runs into Fred and tells her Wesley is in trouble on the roof. She offers to take him there. Back in the library Wes discovers the cyborg is still “alive.” He reaches into its chest and activates its bomb mechanism, threatening to blow it up if it doesn’t reveal what Roger is really up to. Back in the hallway Roger, Fred, and Spike find Angel and Gunn still battling the cyborgs, and help them defeat the last of them. Then everyone heads for the roof, where Roger still insists Wes is in trouble. When they get there, there’s no Wes, and as a helicopter hovers, ready to pick up Roger, he pulls out the staff of Devosynn and utters a code word, which causes beams of light to shoot out of Angel, who drops to the ground, convulsing in pain.

Roger says into his earpiece that he’s “ready for extraction,” but then Wes appears and rips the Staff from Roger’s hand, saying he knows Roger is using the Staff to extract Angel’s will and make him a slave. For a moment they face off and trade accusations of disgrace. Then, as Roger points his gun at Wes, Wes holds the Staff out over the edge of the building, threatening to drop it, break it, and release Angel from its power. Roger starts to lower his gun, but then he grabs Fred and tries to hold her hostage. Then Wes empties his gun into Roger’s chest, and Roger drops dead. As Wes begins to react to what he’s done, Roger’s body starts to spark, revealing that it’s just another cyborg. Later, as Wes tries to get over what he thought was killing his father, he speculates that whoever chose him for this deception did so because he’s psychologically weak. Angel points out that the real villains must have had access to the Watchers’ Council’s old files, which would have given them the information they needed to target Wes. Fred also notes that some part of Wes must have known it wasn’t the real Roger before he pulled the trigger, but Wes insists he didn’t, and remains shaken that he could have killed his own father. Finally, a bit later, after he’s alone in the office again, Wes calls his parents’ home. Instead of his father, his mother answers and scolds him for calling so late at night, and Wes finally hangs up without ever speaking to his dad

Er... yeah... whatever

[PokerKitten]

You can download the trailer now from Slayerverse

[PokerKitten]

Dori's Spikefeed is up at Tabula Rasa

Not too much, and nothing too bad either. Good for Spike being able to get a punch in ;D Allusion to the Buffybot there.... and what kind of a look does Eve throw him, I wonder?!

[PokerKitten]

Wildfeed summary up at www.angelsacolyte.com

Interesting exchanges between Spike and Eve.... Ep sounds okay on paper

[Cyrus]

I didn't get to watch it tonight, but I'll let you know when I do...

[twistedspike]

I found this an interesting episode although it was a bit weak compared to the others.
The Spike and Eve interaction in the lift was very interesting and got me all excited to wanna know what's going on with Eve there's obviously more to her than meets the eye.
There was a very funny part where Spike was babbling on about having sex with robots lol.
Roy Dotrice was very good as Wesleys dad and made me hate him right from the start. Alexis also did a great job going from confident in control Wesley back to the bumbling nerd that Buffy fans remember from S3.
All in all another good episode but not as strong as some of the others.

Oh and when Spike punched that ninja robot * AWESOME *.

[marilyn]

Okay, I agree with Twisty about all of the above things...especially about Wesley reverting to his nerdy self and being all clumsy....BUT.....I'm just disappointed with the way Spike is being used here...he's still just a side order to the main meal....and Angel as a main meal makes me nauseous....I wouldn't watch the show at all if Spike wasn't on there...I finally figured out that the reason I haven't been catching up on the early seasons of Angel every afternoon isn't because of the time, it's cos I just don't care for the show itself. I'd rather ( and am doing this!) watch old Buffy (first season again) anytime than an Angel. I'm sure Angel fans are gonna think I'm a dipstick but I can't help it...he was okay with Buffy and the rest of the Scooby gang...without them.....
I had visions of Spike being out there, doing good WITH everyone, not just standing around delivering one liners like the class clown....he's so much more than that... ;D
Maybe it'll get better, I haven't read that far in the spoilers yet.

[PokerKitten]

Oh man!! I have ALWAYS liked "Angel" - and considering how I used to hate Brood Boy himself that has to say something for the way the show was written, directed and acted in the previous 4 seasons! And so far Spike has had two episodes focused entirely on him, and more lines and screen time in the other eps - apart from the first of course - than he used to get in Buffy. Trust me, this is true.

In those two eps that were All.About.Spike, we saw the Spike we know and love. At other times I agree, he seems to be there for snark value alone. And I would have big issues with that, especially if I detected a retconning of the character to suit the "Angel" mood.... BUT.... don't you think Lineage hinted that - as so often in the past - Spike is wearing a persona to protect himself?

He was annoying jerk, snark boy, immature goof.... and then there was the scene with Eve where he showed he hasn't been missing a trick, he is as perceptive about other people as he ever was, he was straight talking and grown up and a wee bit menacing. Even his wobble when the lights went out was delivered with defiance and a glint in his eye. I am now strongly getting the feeling that we are meant to see that all the time he is being an idiot, he has other stuff going on inside. I hope I am not crediting the writing team with too much here...

He genuinely wanted to help Gunn, and when he achieved that amazing feat of being able to despatch Ninja-Boyberg he didn't brag about it or go all silly, he gave a satisfied grin and then looked for what needed to be done next. He was also waiting for Wes quite deliberately I believe, towards the end, and how funny that he tried the same reassurance tactics as Angel had tried, with the killing the parental unit story. Bless... he meant well!

Eps 8, 10, and 11 are almost All.About.Spike too, although of course Angel is a major player too (not so much in 11). And I can't describe in this thread how he is so NOT the comic relief in these upcoming eps...

Anyway, other thoughts about Lineage. As ever, much kudos to the show for getting the best guests! Roy Dotrice was magnificent as I knew he would be; but even the black guy at the begining was fab. Keep it up!

Other stuff I liked - snarky, independent Fred.
- Eve stirring it up, talking to Angel about Connor, using him as a way to pickpickpick at Angel's feelings towards Wes. Using the word betrayal...
- the fact that I am wearing a tee the same colour as Lorne's jacket, LMAO!
- Eve's reactions to Spike, how she was watching him with the tumbler, and how she just seemed faintly amused at his sex with bots talk. She didn't seem surprised, did she...?
- Spike double head-tilting Eve in the elevator! ;D
- Wes and Cyberdad's every interaction. They played brilliantly and convincingly together, and their scene on the roof was excellent.
- the relentless pumping of bullets into cyberdad with such a detached expression from Wes was chilling.
- Fred being so uncomfortable, perturbed by Wes' assertion that he did the shooting thing for her sake, and with all that that implies. She really doesn't see Wes in "that" way, she never did.

What irritated - Wes and guns. This image is getting so OLD!
- Wes' upper lip being so stiff it is almost frozen these days!
- Wes mooning over Fred! Move on! Lilah was your kinda woman, really! Stop putting the poor girl on a pedestal!
- the fact that Lorne had zilch to do, other than bore Cyberdad (which was funny but...)

[PokerKitten]

Our poll verdict on this ep was that it was "pretty good"

[nightnurse]

Not bad....not brilliant but not bad...Roy Dotrice is always good value, and I pretty much agree with PK and the fact that whilst Spike appears to be goofing off, he's missing nothing!
Very funny..'course I killed my mum...well I turned her into a vampire ...she tried to shag me so I killed her' yep...that was bound to impress Wes!
Even more chilling than him shooting his father was the look on his face as he 'persuaded' the cyborg to inform on dear old pater! Wes is as cold in that scene as Giles was when he suffocated Glorys alter ego Ben.