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Post by PokerKitten on Feb 13, 2004 12:46:07 GMT
Casting sides are out, but I'll just deposit this from Film Jerk before I go summarise them: Angel: The first tidbits of the untitled episode 18 are revealed. Producers are presently casting for the “large guest star” role of Cyvus Vail, a warlock who is the CEO of a powerful demon clan that has enterprises stretching throughout Los Angeles. A former employee of Wolfram & Hart, his special powers made him the go-to warlock when it came to the big magical mojo cases. The character is listed as being in his mid-30s to early 40s and it is revealed that he helped give Angel’s son Connor new memories since the end of the last season— and now he needs Connor back to defeat a certain demon named Sahjahn. Terrence O’Hara directs from a Drew Goddard script.
www.filmjerk.com/nuke/article823.htmlYay, I wanted a stronger connection to the past, and I wanted the whole Connor thing addressed! ;D |
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Post by PokerKitten on Feb 13, 2004 13:28:52 GMT
Okay.... Wesley walks into his office, looking puzzled, and picks up the phone. He says he wants everything there is on Cyrus Vail... Cyrus! ;D Cyrus V has a palace, flash bastard, albeit a dark palace. He is described as being an ancient demon, all wrinkly, leathery, and of dark-red complexion. All he'd need are some horns and I would be his love slave for eternity, coz you know how I adore demons of this ilk! But as he has long hair maybe it is cvering them up....  Oh, and he has gold eyes. Hmmm. He is sitting on a throne type thing, which is also described as part hospital bed, and he has lots of tubes and gubbins sticking into him, but then he starts pulling them out.... and WHAMBAM, a demon warrior goes crashing into the wall and in strides Brood Boy! Vail looks between the demon and Angel, and yet continues to extract his tubes. He speaks quietly, asking if Angel killed all his guards. All the ones he could find, replies Angel. Vail seems like a benevolent sort (see, I have fallen for him already!), because he says he shouldn't have given them the day off.... and then he uses the intercom to tell a guy called Randall to let everyone go home... But, naughty Angel has killed him too so...  A bit fed up, Vail continues plucking tubes as he tells Angel he had no intention of killing Connor, just needed him to understand what he is capable of. Angel, suppressing anger, wants to know how Vail knows about Connor, and dundundunnnn, Cyrus says - he built him!!! Back with Wesley, and he looks at a file on Vale. There is something about a reality shift and.... dundundunnnn again! This shift happened the day the Gang took over W&H. (Well, we knew that, but now the mindwipe has to start unravelling!) Back in the palace, at night, Cyrus is trying to stand and says Angel will have to help him. Angel looks as if he is going to do that and then slams him against Vail's rack of tubes.... bad vampire! Vail starts talking quietly about Connor's memories, and Angel says that never happened! Well no, but Connor thinks it did. Vail was the one who built his memories for his new life. So, what does Vail want? He needs someone dead... a demon.... Sahjahn! And yet again with the dundundunnnn! Angel says he's gone, he locked him in a bottle. Cyrus corrects him, an urn, and.... Vail has it, but it doesn't really go with his decor, he says! He is worried that it'll break, Sahjahn will be released, he needs finality to his affairs. He waves his hand and a brightly glowing box appears. He asks Angel if he knows what the Orlon Window is... then explains it allows warlocks like himself to see the past as it once was. He shows Angel the box and there is movement inside, like scenes flashing by. He says you have to be careful with it though because if it breaks near someone whose mind has been altered, all their real memories would come rushing back! As Angel takes a step towards him he warns him off, asking if he can be sure he can kill him before he could take Connor's happy life from him? He makes the point that if he could do all that for Connor, he ain't a man you want as an enemy. And Angel sees the sense in this, and agrees to kill Sahjahn. Vail kinda laughs... if it were that simple he could have doine it himself, but no. Only one person can kill Sahjahn and that is Connor. He says he made made him into a healthy boy but now.... "I need you to make him back into a killer. " ************************* Lots of angst and brooding possibilities. And if the mindwipe is reversed everyone is going to be sorta pissed at Angel ;D And poor Connor  I am quivering with an-tici-pation!!! |
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Post by Cyrus on Feb 13, 2004 19:31:05 GMT
The FilmJerk thing says "Cyvus Vail"... is it that or "Cyrus Vail" like is in your second post?  Writers must've been hanging around the same places I do...  (just kidding) |
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Post by PokerKitten on Feb 13, 2004 19:37:56 GMT
The casting sides I was reading say Cyrus. But they only mention his first name in his description and in the actual script parts, his dialogue is very respectfully denoted by "Mr Vail". Could be a Film Jerk typo, or possibly a script one I suppose....
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Post by Cyrus on Feb 13, 2004 19:41:45 GMT
But they only mention his first name in his description and in the actual script parts, his dialogue is very respectfully denoted by "Mr Vail". Oh darn... so I don't get to hear Spike say my name... |
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Post by PokerKitten on Feb 13, 2004 20:01:40 GMT
There may be more to come, but on the face of it Vail doesn't have any scenes with Spike. My summary of the sides covers everything we have so far.
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Post by PokerKitten on Feb 27, 2004 1:03:08 GMT
www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/002857.php
February 26, 2004
I've received a very brief report of a possible location shoot for episode 18. It's from a new source, but there really isn't anything major enough that I would question. So rather than waiting for a secondary confirm like I normally do, I'm going to post it early.
Angel and Connor have an argument outside of a building, ending with Connor walking away angry. Also at this location, Connor's false-father will be injured. It's during a fight with another person, not clear if it's Sahjahn or Vail.
Episode 18 will be written by Drew Goddard.
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Post by PokerKitten on Feb 27, 2004 12:08:45 GMT
Ghostgirl's shooting spoilers from her set visit, to be found in this thread at MTS. Scroll down a bit. |
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Post by PokerKitten on Mar 2, 2004 19:16:08 GMT
<snip> Bell then revealed that "Origin" will feature the return of Angel's (David Boreanaz) son Connor. "Vincent has agreed to come in and do a new episode for us, and we're going to see the result of the deal that Angel made at the end of last season," Bell said. "It'll be fun to have Connor show up as a really happy, healthy and well-adjusted kid, the kid he could never be in season four. And for Angel there will be the pain of knowing this is his son, but that nobody else can know that."
" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2004-03/02/13.00. |
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Post by PokerKitten on Mar 4, 2004 10:59:04 GMT
Looks like the character sides transcriber got it wrong afterall Cyrus. Never mind, you are just not fated to be named repeatedly in another Jossverse ep. But you will always have Tom Lenk ADDITIONAL CAST Harmony MERCEDES MCNAB Hamilton ADAM BALDWIN Connor VINCENT KARTHEISER Sahjhan JACK CONLEY Cyvus Vail DENNIS CHRISTOPHER Laurence JIM ABELE Colleen ADRIENNE BRETT EVANS PRODUCTION CREDITS Written by DREW GODDARD Directed by TERRENCE O’HARA |
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Post by PokerKitten on Mar 9, 2004 22:15:05 GMT
Tensai says: Origin (5.18)
In the episode with Connor, it appears that the box will be broken and everyone, including Connor will regain their full memories. However, Connor will decide that he's happier with his fantasy-family, and return to them. I've gotten secondary confirm from another source that Connor will only be in this episode.
Also, possibly happening in this episode (though it could be the end of 'Underneath'), Illyria will bust Gunn out of the torture dimension.
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Post by PokerKitten on Mar 19, 2004 21:50:43 GMT
Episode summary from Mythical Boards Episode 18 | ORIGIN
When a warlock brings Connor back into Angel’s life, Wesley finds out that Angel has tinkered with the memories of his friends.
After Angel discourages Wes from brooding over Fred’s death, Wes meets with two people, Laurence and Colleen, who want to understand how their son miraculously survived being hit by a speeding van. Wes calls Angel in, and as Angel approaches, Wes sees Connor into the lobby. When Connor addresses Laurence as “Dad,” Angel realizes who they are and says he can’t help. Wes, who has no recollection of Connor, tries to change Angel’s mind, but Angel refuses. Meanwhile, in the suburban basement, the medieval torture demon cuts Gunn’s heart out, then hands him the light bulb he came downstairs looking for. A bit later Spike studies with Illyria in Wolfram and Hart’s new training dojo, and as he takes one beating after another from her, Wes enters and says he just doesn’t understand Angel. At the same time Angel visits Hamilton, the new liaison to the Senior Partners, and demands to know why Connor has returned. Hamilton says the Partners had nothing to do with it, but someone is apparently trying to send Angel a message. Later that night, as Connor and his parents pull into a motel, a demon crashes through their windshield. Instinctively Connor fights it off, and when a second demon tackles him, Angel appears and kills it with a sword… which Connor deems “awesome.”
Colleen sees Laurence is bleeding, so Angel offers to take him to the doctors at Wolfram and Hart… and tells Connor there are things they should talk about. Later, after Laurence checks into the medical wing, Angel assures Connor that he’s a normal kid with some “enhanced abilities,” but then reveals his own vampire status and explains that he and the rest of the firm are dedicated to fighting evil. Just then Spike — thrown by Illyria — comes crashing through a door, so Angel introduces Connor to Spike, Illyria, and Lorne. Connor says the firm is “way better than college,” and Angel is thrilled to learn Connor now attends Stanford University. Later Wesley shows Angel a photo of the Kith’harn demons that attacked Connor and his parents. Wes says the demons are henchmen of a warlock named Cyvus Vail, and later Angel walks into Vail’s office. Vail tells Angel that he wasn’t trying to kill Connor: he was just testing the boy’s capabilities. Angel asks how Vail even knows about Connor, and Vail says, “I built him.” Back at Wolfram and Hart, Wesley and Lorne find a record of a large payment from Wolfram and Hart to Vail — for some sort of memory, mind control, and/or temporal spell — on the day they took over the firm. Meanwhile, after Vail explains how he created childhood memories for Connor, Angel asks what he wants, and Vail says he needs the demon Sahjhan killed. Angel reminds him Sahjhan is locked away in an urn, but Vail says urns can break, and he needs a final solution. Then he produces a glowing glass box called an Orlon Window, which shows scenes of the past as it really was… and which, if broken, would restore Connor’s (and Angel’s friends’) memories. Understanding the blackmail, Angel agrees to kill Sahjhan, but Vail says there’s only one person who can do it: Connor.
Later, back at Wolfram and Hart, Angel tells Connor what Vail wants him to do. Connor is skeptical, but realizes Vail won’t leave his family alone unless he complies, so he agrees. Meanwhile, as the medieval demon tortures Gunn again, Hamilton interrupts and pulls off the necklace that keeps Gunn there. He offers Gunn a chance to return to his normal life, but Gunn just asks for his necklace back, and Hamilton obliges. Back at Wolfram and Hart, while Angel gives Connor advice on fighting Sahjhan, Wes searches for clues about the reality shift Vail provided, and Illyria, who can see glimmers of Fred’s memories, confirms they were altered. Then Wes finds an authorization form signed by Angel, and begins to suspect what happened. A bit later Angel and Connor arrive at Vail’s palace, and Vail points Connor to a chamber where Sahjhan is waiting. Connor enters, and the door immediately disappears, cutting him off from Angel and Vail (who can still see Connor, even though he can’t see them). Connor opens Sahjhan’s urn, and Sahjhan oozes out and takes shape. As he thanks Connor for releasing him, Connor tells him they’re supposed to fight, and Sahjhan realizes who Connor is. They circle each other, and Sahjhan eventually smacks Connor in the face. Angel tries to rush in, but is knocked back by a force field. Angel orders Vail to open it, but Vail points to the Orlon Window, which could still be broken if Angel doesn’t behave. Inside, Connor and Sahjhan trade blows, and as Connor gets the worst of it, Angel looks at Vail again, but this time sees him frozen in time while Wesley stands there with Illyria (who has frozen Vail) and the Orlon Window. Wes accuses Angel of selling out his friends to Wolfram and Hart, and Angel lunges at the Orlon Window, but Illyria throws him across the room. Finally, as Connor continues to fight Sahjhan inside, Angel admits to Wes that Connor’s his son. Wes accuses Angel of trading Connor’s life for Fred’s, and asks if breaking the Orlon Window would undo the spell. Angel says it can’t bring Fred back, but Wesley no longer trusts him. Wesley smashes the window, setting off a huge, blinding explosion.
As a rapid montage of scenes from Wes and Connor’s lives flashes by, Angel realizes that Connor must be affected too. At that very moment something clicks in Connor, and he immediately takes charge of the fight with Sahjhan, finally killing him with an axe. As Sahjhan dies, the door re-opens, and Angel enters. To his surprise, Connor is merely in awe of what he’s just done, and is still ignorant of his connection to Angel. The next day, back at Wolfram and Hart, Wesley tells Illyria what he now remembers about betraying Angel and stealing his son. Illyria notes that the alternate set of memories still exists in their heads, and Wes suggests they might help them endure the truth, not forget it. In Angel’s office, Connor says his dad is being released from the hospital wing, and when Angel asks what Connor’s going to tell his parents about the previous night, Connor says he’ll tell them that Angel is looking out for him. Angel reminds him that Vail is still at large, but Connor says he has to go back to his own life so he can protect his family… which is something he learned from his father. Then he heads for the elevator, but before he gets on, he and Angel lock eyes one last time. |
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Post by slaybelle74 on Mar 20, 2004 1:09:18 GMT
sounds like a good episode...except wes sounds like a jerk in it...and how do they accept illyaria so easily into the team? |
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Post by PokerKitten on Mar 20, 2004 1:18:57 GMT
I know you can't really tell from the summary, but it seems to me like he DOES know who he and Angel are. He's just making choices. The eye locking will give me shivers, I expect. I always liked poor misunderstood and manipulated Connor. And I can't blame Wes for reacting how he does. But what's with Spike and Illyria "training" together? Who's training who, and for what?! |
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 9, 2004 11:23:43 GMT
Due to air April 21st
ANGEL’S SON RETURNS — Angel (David Boreanaz) resists the appeal of parents seeking help from Wolfram & Hart regarding their son’s supernatural abilities after he discovers that the boy is his son, Connor (guest star Vincent Kartheiser). Despite his reservations, Angel is forced to bring Connor into conflict with an old adversary to prevent his son’s memories from being restored. Meanwhile Wesley (Alexis Denisof) uncovers a mysterious deal struck by Wolfram & Hart that threatens the secret Angel desperately wants to protect. Amy Acker, J. August Richards, James Marsters, Andy Hallett and Mercedes McNab also star. The episode was written by Drew Goddard and directed by Terrence O’Hara
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 14, 2004 22:45:47 GMT
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Post by Cyrus on Apr 15, 2004 2:39:12 GMT
Promo played this week after ep 5-17... again, sorry for the bad quality... hopefully the WB will put the good one up... Right click and choose Save Target As... Promo 5-17 |
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 19, 2004 23:47:08 GMT
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Post by Cyrus on Apr 20, 2004 0:15:55 GMT
Are these the same as Comic Continuum pics? I can't remember and I'm too lazy to go back to CC and check! I checked... similar, but not the same.  |
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Post by Cyrus on Apr 22, 2004 2:31:29 GMT
I was so caught up in the show, (and am too tired to write a long thing; I'll leave that to PK when she watches it lol) all I have for you today is some one-liners that made me LMFAO... Angel to Wes re Illyria: "She put a whole petri dish in her mouth?" (we know what the guys were thinking... ) Grrr Illyria played kick-the-Spike... though it was kinda cute...  Illyria to Wes re Spike: "I've been hitting the halfbreed. He makes noise. *smirk*" Spike to Wes/Illyria re Angel's crankiness: "Keep in mind he can't get laid without going crazy." Connor to Angel re Angel beating up a demon: "You almost broke that guy in half... *big grin* That was awesome!" Connor to Angel: "Do you spend all your time making out with other vampires like in those Ann Rice novels?" Illyria to Angel: "I'd like to keep Spike as my pet." *eyebrow raise from Spike* The part when the flashed through stuff real quick (like at the end of s5 of Buffy when they said previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and went through zillions of frames from each season) from season 3 to now... that made me shiver... was just weird feeling... |
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Oh, and he has gold eyes.
