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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 2, 2004 22:38:30 GMT
I am a soppy tart... when I heard that Joss had said on a radio show that the finale title was "Not Fade Away", I came over all emotional.
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 3, 2004 12:00:06 GMT
Oh no, it is happening again. A tear in my eye for the final sides.... Here is my summary: We open on Angel walking towards a table, and who should be sitting there, with books and stuff dpread out around him, but Connor [we did hear earlier that they were shooting some ep 22 stuff with VK while he was around for his "own" episode. I'm glad he's there *sniffle*] Angel says hi, Connor looks up.
Then we are in a pub - yes, it says pub, not bar, and it also says DAY.... Spike is at the bar. Downs a pint, then starts on the Jack Daniels. There's a lot of rough looking yahoos in this place. One bumps into Spike, and he comments to the bartender "Nice crowd". The barkeep warns him that it gets pretty rough. But Spike says thats what he's after and when he's had a few more shots of courage, maybe he'll make his prescence felt. The bartender reckons that's his funeral, and Spike replies that he never did have a proper one (eep).
Then we are outside, at a shelter. Anne is moving furniture and boxes into a truck, with a few helpers. She sees Gunn and calls to him....
And believe it or not, that's all we get. And I am so worried for Spike. What in hell is happening there?!
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 11, 2004 23:37:27 GMT
What?! Sebassis and Vale et al are STILL around at the end? ADDITIONAL CAST Connor VINCENT KARTHEISER Eve SARAH THOMPSON Harmony MERCEDES MCNAB Lindsey CHRISTIAN KANE Hamilton ADAM BALDWIN Izzy MARK COLSON Sebassis LELAND CROOKE Cyvus Vail DENNIS CHRISTOPHER Senator Bruckner STACEY TRAVIS Anne JULIA LEE Bartender DAVID FIGLIOLI Demon Slave RYAN ALVAREZ Oops, forgot to say that Jeff Bell and Joss wrote the ep, with Jeff directing. Info from Mythical Boards
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 17, 2004 18:23:15 GMT
This is hot stuff, from Tensai:
ATS: Episode 22 Spoilers
What I'm about to pass along, is more than likely the plotline of the final episode of 'Angel'. I'm sure that like myself, you are not going to believe that it's true at first. So it would probably be a good idea to pass along a little background information.
This info comes from a source that has proven to be extremely valuable this past season. Everything that they have told me has come to pass, they have yet to be wrong. Which means I normally pass along all their information without worrying about getting a secondary confirmation. However, there was one exception to that rule this season.
Sometimes, spoilers are so volatile, that I will not post them until I can get independent confirmation. If I don't get that confirm, I will not post them. That happened one time this season. I learned in November, weeks before it was mentioned anywhere else, that Fred was going to die and become Illyria. My source was not 100% that it was written in stone, and try as I might, I couldn't get any confirmation at all until Pandora posted her summary. Because of the nature of this spoiler, I didn't want to post a word about it, until I was certain.
Keep the above in mind, when I tell you that this spoilage has required not only a second confirmation, but a third, fourth, and even fifth confirmation before I would post it. It's that volatile.
Before I go into the spoilers, I do have to offer this one caveat. All of this information is prior to actual filming, and there had been significant changes made already. While I'm extremely confident in the information, and as mentioned earlier I've received multiple confirms about the events of the episode, this may or may not be the finished product. Because of this, for now I'm only going to list the highlights and major events. There are still details that I'm not clear on, and questions that I have yet to have answered.
But there are also clues in the most recent episode to at least two of these spoilers, including a scene that was recently added, which lends credence to this information.
Final Warning: If you have ever considered going unspoiled, now would be a good time to do it. Because unless Joss has managed to pull off the spoiler-foiler of the century, this is how it ends... Angel: Not Fade Away (5.22)
Angel is playing the bad boy in order to figure out who he has to go through to get to the Senior Partners. It's unclear if he tells the others prior to this episode, or if the rest of 'Angel Investigations' is at a loss as to what is happening to him.
He does explain early in this episode, and tells everyone to go prepare themselves for the final battle. This then ties in with the one casting side, which has Angel seeing Connor, Spike in a bar, and Gunn seeing Anne. When they gather, they have to split up into different groups because there are multiple targets that need to be taken out (I have a feeling that they will be taking out most of the factions we see in 'Power Play'). Once this is done, they will meet up again and proceed to the final battle either to get to, or with, the Senior Partners.
Lindsey, Eve, and Connor all take part in these missions, fighting on the side of Angel. However, Angel has been forewarned that there is a traitor in their midst. Things get a bit unclear here, as to who is fighting what, but this is the outcome of these missions.
Wesley dies during his mission, and while he's dying Illyria appears to change once more into Fred and cries over him.
Gunn will die after he succeeds in completing his mission, while on his way back to the others.
Lorne is battling with Lindsey, and after they succeed in their mission, Lorne shoots Lindsey and kills him. Eve is heartbroken, and I believe that Lorne simply leaves everyone at this time. His work is done, and he told everyone that before they went out to fight.
Angel is losing in his fight with Hamilton, when Connor arrives and together they defeat him (or run him off). Connor then goes back to his family.
Why do these missions go so poorly? Probably because Harmony is in bed with Hamilton (literally). Hamilton turned her against the rest of the gang, and she revealed what they were planning to do.
The final scene? Somewhere, more than likely another dimension perhaps, Angel and Spike and Illyria face off against a dragon. It's unclear if this is the guardian to the Senior Partners or the physical manifestation of the Senior Partners.
That's it. To answer the two most obvious questions... There is no reference to the Shanshu Prophecy, and it does appear to end on a cliffhanger.
To recap the above. Wesley, Lindsey, and Gunn all die. I think that Lorne just leaves. I do not know the fates of Eve, Harmony, or Hamilton. Angel, Spike and Illyria are all still standing at the end.
Lorne leaving could tie in with his general mood at the start of 'Underneath'. From the few details I have, it does appear that he has tired of 'fighting the good fight' in this episode. Also, Harmony working for Hamilton also makes sense based on the latest episode. It would not only explain how he got in the building, but also her unselfish attempt to save Eve from Hamilton (and why he didn't just kill her). It makes her look good.
I really don't want to comment more on this right now, because if you are like myself, it will take a day or so to digest this information. I know it's shocking and doesn't make as much sense as one would suspect. Then again, 'Chosen' didn't make a ton of sense to me at the time either.
Speaking of 'Chosen', there's one last thing. Somewhere in the final three episodes, there will be a reference to 'cookie dough'. I don't know when, I don't have any details. But again, I've got multiple confirms that it's there.
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 17, 2004 18:25:04 GMT
Oh my freaking god!! That is absofuckinglutely fantastic! I do hope it's all true! Death, death, more death, inappropriate sex, and a dragon. WOW!!!
And Spike is still standing at the end, hurrah! ;D ;D
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Post by JIG on Apr 17, 2004 19:41:16 GMT
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Post by Cyrus on Apr 17, 2004 23:05:30 GMT
I literally got goosebumps when I read that... I really really really shouldn't have read this... I told myself I wasn't going to be spoiled after the eps started back up again, but... it was right here in front of me and... They're just like la la la la la... Wes dies... la la la... Gunn dies... la la la la... Lindsey dies... la la la... hey let's go shopping... oh wait no that last part was the Buffy finale.... Spike, Angel, Illyria, and a dragon... interesting foursome
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Post by slaybelle74 on Apr 18, 2004 5:18:42 GMT
:oOMFG!!!!!i should not have read that!!! :'(i don't want gunn,wes or lindsey to die!!!!but i'm really upset that lorne just leaves....WHAT? ?...i love lorne.....i don't want him to give up!!!!!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...............i can only draw comfort that spike is still standing....don't think i could handle seeing him "die" again!!!!
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Post by Ditto on Apr 18, 2004 23:58:27 GMT
So if they do films, no Gunn, Wes or Linds? At least Spike and Angel are still around....but if they don't need his coat? Oh, I don't know what to think.
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 21, 2004 12:21:20 GMT
The publicity poster for the finale is here - www.spikeonangel.com/gallery/atslast.jpgAncient photo, Angelus cause it's leather pants! And gazing at the stupid ring that he and Buffy had. What a crock! I bet the publicity people don't even know what they have done by using this image. They probably think DB just looks younger and prettier
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Post by Cyrus on Apr 21, 2004 20:47:00 GMT
And gazing at the stupid ring that he and Buffy had. *looks at left hand little finger* ummm... Heh! Definitely younger and thinner...
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 23, 2004 12:17:48 GMT
Info from Fraz at Fanbolt.com "Not Fade Away" THE END AND THE BEGINNING - Angel (David Boreanaz) and company spend the day as if it were their last as they prepare to bring down the evil Circle of the Black Thorn. Putting their lives on the line, Spike (James Marsters) confronts a demon cult, Lorne (Andy Hallett) faces off with Lindsay (Christian Kane), Gunn (J. August Richards) takes on an evil senator and Angel battles Hamilton (Adam Baldwin), the henchman of the Senior Partners. Vincent Kartheiser guest-stars as Connor.I'm sorry, but I could make it sound way more exciting than this without giving too much plot away Stupid WB.
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Post by PokerKitten on Apr 28, 2004 23:33:47 GMT
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Post by Cyrus on Apr 29, 2004 6:13:49 GMT
They've added more pics to the link you posted. Now there's 10 pics, including Joss and a bloody Spike!
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Post by slaybelle74 on Apr 29, 2004 15:39:04 GMT
omg..those pics!!!!bloody spike
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Post by PokerKitten on May 1, 2004 17:10:51 GMT
Tensai has received new info about the finale and has revised his summary accordingly! (same link as before)
I've gotten a bit more information on 'Not Fade Away', which could indicate a change in the fate of one of the characters. I've gotten a confirm on this, and to be honest, this was one of the things that I had mentioned as a 'significant change' when I first posted the spoilers.
Note: Since the original post, I've reviewed all the information yet again, and have modified my summary of events. So here's the lowdown...
First, Wesley and Lindsay are still slated to die in this episode. There has been no change to that. The death in question is Gunn's, and it's always been a bit murky as to his exact fate.
During the battle, Gunn does manage to accomplish his task, but is badly wounded. In the first draft, he would make his way back to meet the others, but not make it in time. At some point, this changed. Instead of making it back to where they were going to meet, he would die from his wounds along the way. It seems to have now gone back to a scenario similar to the original plan, with him meeting the others but still mortally wounded. His final fate is unknown.
If you have checked out the MediaSharx pictures from the finale, I believe the scene with the final four is the final few minutes of the show. There is still a bit of confusion from the information I have if the dragon appears in the alley, or if the others hop through a dimensional gate to another location, which is where they encounter the dragon.
This fate for Gunn sounds similar to what happened with Rona in 'Chosen', where her life was hanging by a thread after the battle. It does bode well for a possible return of his character, if and when there is ever a movie or continuation of the story.
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Post by PokerKitten on May 2, 2004 23:53:08 GMT
Oh boy. Summary from Mythical BoardsEpisode 5ADH22 | NOT FADE AWAY
Angel and his friends prepare for their “suicide” attack on the Circle of the Black Thorn.
In Angel’s office, Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, and Spike continue planning their assault on the evil members of the Circle of the Black Thorn. When Gunn suggests they ask Illyria to join them, Lorne notes they left her to watch Drogyn, and Angel tells them Drogyn is dead. Before he can explain, however, Hamilton enters and tells Angel that the Black Thorn members want to see him right away. A bit later Spike, Wes, Gunn, and Lorne return to Spike’s apartment and find Illyria unconscious. Wes revives her and she tells them Hamilton knocked her out and took Drogyn… to Angel. Lorne says he doesn’t trust Angel, but Gunn says that’s OK, as long as the Circle trusts him. Meanwhile Angel meets with the Circle, who want to make sure Angel’s own ambitions don’t sway his loyalty. They pull out a copy of the Shanshu Prophesy, and ask him to sign away his chances at ever becoming human. Realizing he has no choice, Angel jabs a pen into his vein and signs the contract in blood. Later, back at Wolfram and Hart, Harmony pumps Angel for information on what’s going on. He says he can’t involve her, but asks her to keep Hamilton occupied, and she agrees. Next Angel tells Lindsey what the group is planning, and asks for his help. Lindsey warns Angel that it’s a suicide mission, but Angel offers to let Lindsey run Wolfram and Hart if they succeed… and Lindsey accepts. A bit later Angel joins the others at Spike’s apartment, and tells them tonight is the night the Circle members will die.
Since it may be their last day alive, Angel tells his friends to spend it however they want. Lorne sings at a karaoke bar. Spike goes into a tough-looking bar… where he reads his own verse in a poetry slam. Angel meets Connor at a coffeehouse, where he’s surprised to learn Connor already knows Angel is his father. At the same time, Gunn finds his sister Anne loading donations for the poor at a local shelter. He asks what she’d do if he told her nothing will ever end the world’s problems, and when she says she’d just keep loading the truck, he pitches in to help. Meanwhile Wes tends Illyria’s head wound, and she offers to join their fight. She also asks Wes why he’s not out having one last “perfect” day, but he says it’s not possible. Understanding he wants to be with Fred, Illyria offers to pretend again to be Fred, but Wes says he doesn’t want an illusion. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Lindsey tells Eve that Angel is sending him with Lorne to take on the Sahrvin demons. Eve says she doesn’t trust Angel, but Lindsey says as long as he fights for Angel and not against him, he’ll be safe. Later the group reunites at Spike’s apartment, and Angel hands out the assassination assignments: Wes targeting Cyvus Vail; Illyria killing Izzerial; Gunn tackling Senator Brucker and her vampire aides; Spike killing the Fell brethren and rescuing the human baby they’ve been raising for sacrifice; and Angel targeting Archduke Sebassis (whom we see reclining in his bath, drinking from a goblet his demon slave fills from one of his own veins). Lorne claims he’s not really a fighter, but Angel reassures him that he’ll just provide backup for Lindsey. Then, as they continue to chat, we see Harmony in bed with Hamilton, offering to reveal Angel’s secret plan.
Angel tells his friends to gather in a nearby alley after their jobs are completed. Lorne says it’s time for him to move on, so he won’t be there. As everyone moves out, Spike asks Angel if the Shanshu prophecy will come true and one of them will become human after this. Angel says neither of them will survive, so it doesn’t matter. A bit later Wes arrives at Cyvus Vail’s palace, and as he talks to Vail, conjures a ball of energy in his hand. At the same time, Spike sneaks into the Fell sanctuary, where he hears a baby crying. Angel returns to his office and retrieves a weapon, but then Hamilton enters and asks if Angel’s going to use the weapon on Sebassis. Angel swings at Hamilton, but he strikes back, knocking Angel out a window. Angel crashes back in through a skylight, right in front of Harmony, who immediately tries to convince Angel that she didn’t betray him. He knows better, and fires her. As she leaves, Hamilton reappears and they resume their battle.
As they fight, Hamilton asks if Angel really thought he could kill Sebassis. Angel says he already has. Then we see Sebassis realizing his drink tastes strange… and looking over to see his demon, whose blood he’s drinking, is already dead. Finally a flashback shows Angel, at the earlier Black Thorn gathering, push the demon away with a poisoned spike on his finger. In the present Sebassis realizes he’s been poisoned, and dies… and Angel and Hamilton resume their fight. Meanwhile Spike rescues the baby and fights off the Fell demons. Wes fires his energy ball at Vail, but Vail just scoffs. Meanwhile Lindsey hacks his way into the back room at a demon bar, and Illyria blocks the street in front of Izzy’s limousine. At Wolfram and Hart, Connor steps in to join Angel’s fight against Hamilton. Back on the street Illyria walks away from the now-bashed and bloody limo, while Gunn arrives at Senator Brucker’s office, buries a hatchet in her head, and dusts her vampires. Back at the bar Lindsey washes blood off his hands and thanks Lorne for his help. Lorne says he still doesn’t trust Lindsey, and pulls out a gun and shoots him. Lindsey has just enough time to say how indignant he is that he’s been killed by a flunky (and not by Angel himself)… and then he dies. Meanwhile Vail slams a dagger into Wes’ gut. Wes uses his last bit of strength to toss Vail across the room. Illyria arrives and holds Wes, realizing he’s dying. She ask if he’d like her to lie to him now, and he says yes… so she pretends to be Fred, saying she loves him and it won’t be long until they can be together. She kisses him, and he dies. Then Vail returns, inviting Illyria to take her best shot. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Hamilton goes after Connor, and Angel vamps and bites Hamilton. Then, as the fight continues, Angel finally snaps Hamilton’s neck. As he does, however, the building starts to shake with the Senior Partners’ wrath. Angel convinces Connor to run, then rescues Eve from a nearby office and tells her Lindsey isn’t coming back. Later Angel arrives at the alley rendezvous. Spike is already there and Gunn arrives a moment later, bloodied from his battles. As he asks about Wes, Illyria arrives, saying Wes is dead. Then there’s a thunderclap and an army of monsters closes in while a dragon circles above. Despite his wounds, Gunn wants to fight. Spike asks Angel what his plan is, and Angel says he wants to slay the dragon. Then the demons charge, and he swings into battle.
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Post by PokerKitten on May 3, 2004 0:02:59 GMT
Spike reads poetry in that roughneck bar? Oh, it's a joke and it is really just a tough crowd of poetry snobs?! Please let them appreciate his work! I can't bear it if they jeer! No Shanshu for Angel? Well, he gave up the chance to be human before, so no shock he is willing to sign it away now. But leaves the way open for Spike, in a movie... if he wants it.... Angel FIRES Harmony? He should have set her on fire! Or dusted her! I knew Wes was dying, and I'm not sorry, but we have to endure mush with Illyria first? Way to go Lorne, but does he really just walk away, like we heard before? Seems like it (come back for any movies, you green hunk you!) Poor Gunn, but at least he hasn't croaked..... Hey, and since when was Anne his sister?! Mistake by the summarizer? Hope the dragon is a budget buster - go out in style, guys! ;D Oi, this will shred my nerves!
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Post by Cyrus on May 3, 2004 5:51:22 GMT
Oh. My. Gosh. I remember feeling this way at this time last year, knowing the end was near... the end had already been filmed and we were reading summaries while waiting for it to air... ...then it aired and we already knew what was going to happen... Dragons?! Yeah! Use the WB's money! ;D Still @ no Spangel kiss... ...maybe in a movie...
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Post by PokerKitten on May 3, 2004 10:53:07 GMT
Last year I'd read the shooting script so no surprises and I was ready for BtVS to finish. Such a lame season to end on. This time, they are surprising me every episode and have lots more to say for themselves so I will be really upset when it comes. This all sounds turbulent, jam-packed and exciting. Part of me can't wait, part of me dreads it.
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